Curse

Ahoy · Jun 17, 2011, 06:54 AM // 06:54

A really simple 7 hero build.
For anyone that is having difficulties with HM/Vanquishing/Dungeon, using these builds will make it a lot easier.

There is no definite need to rune heroes, though it definitely helps.

Basically, I know there might be more complex/more effective builds as for different areas but the ones I'm going to give are just general BUT will get you through HM Missions/Vanquishes with very little effort/deaths.
Also bear in mind if you're still having troubles with the mission/vanq/dungeon after using this, maybe get some cons to help.

Your Build

Deadly Arts - 12 (Gives you a lot of slack with timing AP)
Pain Inverter - Helps with HM Eles/High damagers, isn't vital.
Assassin's Promise - Main hex, used in conjunction with You move like a Dwarf! gives your Necromancers the ability to do huge damage by spamming Discord.
You Move Like A Dwarf! - Good condition, knock-down & Damage skill. Not vital.
Finish Him - Makes kills even quicker/Makes bosses with a lot of HP easier.

Your other 4 skills are completely up to you, as a Monk I put a res/3 hex removals but rarely used them, experiment around but bear in mind you have no more slots for PvE Skills with that set up.

For runes/insignias, you could probably use anything, though survivor/vitae/vigor will obviously help a lot. (For an Assassin you could use a Deadly arts rune though probably won't make a huge difference)

Necromancer [GUARD]

Main healer of the group, will keep Protective on and drop when needed and Life will stay up. No need to micro anything.

Death Magic - 10+1+1
Soul Reaping - 8
Restoration Magic - 12

Runes/Insignias - 5x Blighter's, Minor Death on head, Sup/Major Vigor & Vitae runes.

Necromancer Two [GUARD]

Hexer/healer, will cover grouped enemies with Shadow of Fear + Weakness.
Keeps Recovery up, heals when needed.
No micro needed at all.

Death Magic - 11+1+1
Soul Reaping - 7+1
Curses - 5+1
Restoration Magic - 11

Runes/Insignias - 5x Blighter's, Minor Death on head, Minor Soul Reaping, Minor curses & Sup/Major Vigor&Vitae.

Necromancer Three [GUARD]

Main MM of the group, will spam Discord/Create minions & Prots when necessary. Micro Aegis if needed/Chain Aegis.

Death Magic - 12+1+1
Soul Reaping - 8+1
Protection Prayers - 10

Runes/Insignias - 4x Blighter's, 1x Bloodstained, Minor Death on head, Minor Soul Reaping, Health runes.

6 MAN AREAS/MISSIONS.

Necromancer Four(Razah) [GUARD]

Will put hexes/weakness on enemies, heals and spams Discord. No need for micro-ing whatsoever.

Death Magic - 11+1+1
Soul Reaping - 7+1
Curses - 5+1
Restoration Magic - 11

Runes/Insignias - 5x Blighter's, Minor Death on head, Minor soul reaping & Curses, Sup/Major vigor & Vitae.

Ghostly Might Ritualist [GUARD]

Will pop spirits on aggro, can micro them before a pull if needed.
Deals big damage, helps team and draws enemy aggro on spirits (Along with minions) helping your team.

Communing - 12+3+1
Spawning Power - 12+1
Curses - 3

Runes/Insignias - 5x Shamans/Survivor, Sup Communing on head, minor spawning power & 3x Health runes.

8 MAN AREAS/MISSIONS

Searing Flames Elementalist [GUARD]

Very simple build, can be replaced with almost anything though casters are preferred. Will do damage+spread AoE Burning (Helps Discord).

Fire Magic - 12+1+1
Energy Storage - 12+1
Command - 3

Runes/Insignias - Attunements/Survivors, Minor Fire on head, Minor energy storage & rest health runes.

Protection Elementalist [AVOID]

Keeps enchantments on, spams prots without caring.
Micro Aegis with your N/Mo MM if needed, if not there is no Micro required at all.

Energy Storage - 12+1+1
Protection Prayers - 12

Runes/Insignias - 5x Survivors, Minor Energy storage on head & Health runes.

Posted this because of people asking for help, thought it would help more people if I posted here.
It's not very complex but if you have any questions be sure to ask and I'm sure if not I then someone else will answer them.

Elfblade · Jun 17, 2011, 08:32 AM // 08:32

sorry but is so much healing not needed stacking so much is inefficient and you lose a lot of additional DPS that could be instead of the healing skills. This leads the actual problem discord is outdated because in the 3 hero era bar compression was important that faded away with 7 heroes.

There are better c-space builds around on the forum that require no micro.

Last note: SF ele and HM dont really mix if you want to fit in an ele put in a invoke ele

Ahoy · Jun 17, 2011, 08:35 AM // 08:35

Like I said, there are better.
But I went through every HM Mission on the game with this build and found no trouble whatsoever, kills fast enough... It's to help people who might be struggling.

Spiritz · Jun 17, 2011, 09:10 AM // 09:10

I saw title and got interested then i saw discordway more or less and lost interest.
Discordway doesnt always suit all professions - its been mentioned many times.
For new players i feel it will spoil the game - they wont really learn much using it and when they try hm missions/quests with pugs/guildies they wont really cope.
But thats just my views only - i cope easily enough using spiritway and a few random mercs and i enjoy the challenge.

Elfblade · Jun 17, 2011, 09:24 AM // 09:24

So is it an excuse to make a build that is inefficient and then ignore its faults.

Here is a simple c-space build you will see around on guru, you can customize it to physical and caster characters. 0 micro is needed.

Jeydra · Jun 17, 2011, 10:10 AM // 10:10

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/w...t10477511.html

Maybe it's time to bump that thread ...

tcratty · Jun 17, 2011, 12:44 PM // 12:44

to much discord (single target damage) fire ele in HM is wothless need a mesmer for shotdown in there somewhere and overkill on with all the healing

Usk Delt · Jun 21, 2011, 04:33 PM // 16:33

Yeah you all are right, there's no a specific build to defeat all the explorable areas, but this build is a great one, just started Vanquishing and it works perfectly... just changed my own build, for a SoS Build.

Thanks for the help.

aspi · Jun 24, 2011, 11:30 AM // 11:30

People cant read anymore I guess.
To all complainers, read the post again and don't start posting automatically when you see a discord build.

**Marty Silverblade** · Jun 24, 2011, 11:23 PM // 23:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by aspi

People cant read anymore I guess.
To all complainers, read the post again and don't start posting automatically when you see a discord build.

...and your point is? I've read it twice and it's still lame single target damage with a massive overloading of heals. Besides, any guide that uses 'it beat all the content' as the only justification as to why it's good is a sign that the person who made it probably has no/little idea about what he's talking about anyway.

Wenspire · Jun 25, 2011, 01:04 AM // 01:04

I think it's an option for people who are not build-savvy, or lack strategy during gameplay (c-space people). It certainly will not be the fastest group setup, but probably stable enough for most content.

Elfblade · Jun 25, 2011, 09:51 AM // 09:51

I just want to let people who are less build savvy now that there are way better c-space builds around.

Xenomortis · Jun 25, 2011, 10:21 AM // 10:21

I don't see what the Searing Flames Ele is for. And EVAS is much better than Pain Inverter.
But do we really need another thread for some (subpar) build that can do Vanquishes and isn't particularly original?

AndrewSX · Jun 25, 2011, 12:27 PM // 12:27

This is kinda bad even for a lazy/not-build-savy/bad? player.
Expecially changing one rit (most OP hero aivable) to nec for 4 Discord.
Anyway, if you're looking for 7H brainless build, take 3 necros (beware! 3necros may not be always 3discord) 2 mes and 2 rits.
Just copy/paste toghether some pvx *cough"great"cough* build and roll most of pve.

Swingline · Jul 03, 2011, 01:59 PM // 13:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by AndrewSX

This is kinda bad even for a lazy/not-build-savy/bad? player.
Expecially changing one rit (most OP hero aivable) to nec for 4 Discord.
Anyway, if you're looking for 7H brainless build, take 3 necros (beware! 3necros may not be always 3discord) 2 mes and 2 rits.
Just copy/paste toghether some pvx *cough"great"cough* build and roll most of pve.

Theres a reason most of those "great" pvx builds are considered meta and that is they are some of the best run in and roll mobs bars. Necros will always be superior to most other classes for their endless energy and debuffing mobs to the point they become like their NM counterparts. Not to mention the armor ignoring damage. I do however agree that discord is very uncreative. As others have stated discord only shined during the 3 hero era of GWs. Until armor ignoring damage is nerfed or HM mobs have their armor reworked then Necros, Mesmers and Rits will by a wide margin outshine the other classes.